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	<title>Comments on: Thomson Reuters Speaks</title>
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	<description>geek tools and the scholar</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/31/thomson-reuters-speaks/comment-page-1#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perusing Zotero's code for using EndNote styles, I agree with Bruce's assessment that ENS files seem to be mere templates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they were something more, it would speak to horrible redundancy in the templates &#38; would raise warning flags of possible arbitrary code execution exploits.  It would also speak to major problems with EndNote's style editor, which has significant limitations (e.g. inability to re-write fields).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Their claim, if true, would be good for their case.  But I doubt they'd make this same claim if they were talking to security-minded IT at institutions where they were trying to sell their software.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perusing Zotero&#8217;s code for using EndNote styles, I agree with Bruce&#8217;s assessment that ENS files seem to be mere templates.</p>

<p>If they were something more, it would speak to horrible redundancy in the templates &amp; would raise warning flags of possible arbitrary code execution exploits.  It would also speak to major problems with EndNote&#8217;s style editor, which has significant limitations (e.g. inability to re-write fields).</p>

<p>Their claim, if true, would be good for their case.  But I doubt they&#8217;d make this same claim if they were talking to security-minded IT at institutions where they were trying to sell their software.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/31/thomson-reuters-speaks/comment-page-1#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting interpretation Andrew. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On reading the quote again, I'm relying for my interpretation on some other commentary by an EndNote person that I &lt;a href="http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/23/thomson-reuters-believes-they-own-all-endnote-style-files" rel="nofollow"&gt;discussed earlier&lt;/a&gt;. So while you're probably right that I may be reading too much into (or wrongly reading) the above quote, I don't think I'm wrong in my basic interpretation. While I'm no expert on binary file formats, I think these files are pretty basic templates, not conceptually significantly different than the XML CSL styles.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting interpretation Andrew. </p>

<p>On reading the quote again, I&#8217;m relying for my interpretation on some other commentary by an EndNote person that I <a href="http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/23/thomson-reuters-believes-they-own-all-endnote-style-files" rel="nofollow">discussed earlier</a>. So while you&#8217;re probably right that I may be reading too much into (or wrongly reading) the above quote, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m wrong in my basic interpretation. While I&#8217;m no expert on binary file formats, I think these files are pretty basic templates, not conceptually significantly different than the XML CSL styles.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew Houghton</title>
		<link>http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/31/thomson-reuters-speaks/comment-page-1#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the analogy you used is off the mark: "Just to again bring up an analogy: this would be equivalent to Microsoft suing OpenOffice.org, Sun, and so forth for reverse-engineering Word when they reverse-engineered the Word file format.".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A more appropriate analogy to what Thompson Reuters said would be akin to Zotoro reverse engineering a Virtual Machine.  The claim by Thompson Reuters is that the Endnote application contains a VM and the style files are the compiled byte code that is run by the VM.  Obvious parallels to Java, .NET, Basic and Forth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm not arguing whether Thompson Reuters stance against Zotoro is appropriate or not, just that the analogy you used is not a reflection, IMHO, of the quote from Thompson Reuters.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the analogy you used is off the mark: &#8220;Just to again bring up an analogy: this would be equivalent to Microsoft suing OpenOffice.org, Sun, and so forth for reverse-engineering Word when they reverse-engineered the Word file format.&#8221;.</p>

<p>A more appropriate analogy to what Thompson Reuters said would be akin to Zotoro reverse engineering a Virtual Machine.  The claim by Thompson Reuters is that the Endnote application contains a VM and the style files are the compiled byte code that is run by the VM.  Obvious parallels to Java, .NET, Basic and Forth.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not arguing whether Thompson Reuters stance against Zotoro is appropriate or not, just that the analogy you used is not a reflection, IMHO, of the quote from Thompson Reuters.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://community.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/archives/2008/10/31/thomson-reuters-speaks/comment-page-1#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@steveb: I don't have time to organize a boycott. But, I'd be happy to support such an effort if someone else did.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steveb: I don&#8217;t have time to organize a boycott. But, I&#8217;d be happy to support such an effort if someone else did.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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